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    Episode•August 31, 2026•24 min

    EP286: How Contractors Can Calculate True Labor Costs and Boost Profits

    If you’re paying an employee $30 an hour, they don’t actually cost your construction business $30 an hour. In this episode of the Hammer & Grind Podcast, Brad Huebner breaks down how contractors can calculate their true labor costs and use the right labor burden rate to protect their profit margins. Your employee’s hourly wage is only one part of the total cost. Payroll taxes, workers’ compensation, employee benefits, paid time off, training, meetings, and other non-productive paid hours can significantly increase what that employee actually costs your business. You’ll learn how to: Calculate your true labor burden rate Separate employee wages from total labor costs Account for payroll taxes and workers’ compensation Factor in employee benefits and other direct labor costs Calculate the cost of non-productive paid time Determine your true cost per productive hour Understand the difference between markup and gross profit margin Avoid underpricing labor on construction estimates Identify hidden labor-related profit leaks Price your labor correctly across multiple employees and crews If you’re a contractor who wants better construction estimating, stronger profit margins, and a clearer understanding of what your employees actually cost your business, this episode is a must-listen. Get the Labor Burden Worksheet: Use the worksheet to calculate your labor burden rate and understand your true labor cost per hour, day, week, month, and year. The worksheet can also help you calculate costs for different employee teams and crews. Links to resources Grab my free job costing worksheet and start job costing every job right away. https://go.hammercrm.com/widget/form/4Bws6E9GGX0RZPoED1bn Want to go deeper? Check out the Contractor Profit Blueprint: https://www.thecontractorprofitblueprint.com/ Book a strategy call with Brad: https://hammerandgrind.com/qualification-website Enjoying the podcast? Visit our website at https://www.hammerandgrindpodcast.com for the latest episodes, resources, and more. Have a question, story, or topic you'd like us to cover? Leave us a message here: https://www.hammerandgrindpodcast.com/voicemail. We'd love to hear from you, and your message could be featured on a future episode! Help us get the word out to other contractors by leaving us a review or sharing our podcast! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    If you're paying your employee $30 an hour, that employee doesn't cost you $30 an hour. And if you're using $30 as your labor rate, it's costing you hundreds, if not thousands of dollars whenever you bid a job. Hey, I'm Brad Hebner. I'm the host of the Hammer and Grind podcast, licensed general contractor, author of the Contractor Profit Blueprint. And I work with overwhelmed contractors who want to increase their profits and regain. In this episode, we're talking about how to figure out what a true labor burden rate is for your business because this is a major component of why your profit margins are always so low at the end of a job that you think you've sold at the right margin. So let's jump right into this. Right off the bat, your wage that you paid an employee is not a labor cost. That's one small, tiny part of it. part of the total labor cost. So if you pay your carpenter $30 an hour, that's their wage, right? That's what they make. That's not the labor cost. It's not what it costs you to have them on payroll. We need to know what the employee actually costs the business total, total costs. And that's what we're going to break down on this episode. If you don't know that number, then you're using incorrect information and you're underbidding the job without even realizing it. So your true labor burden, that's what we're talking about. What's the full burden of that employee to the business? Not the wage, the full burden of the employee. So start with the base wage. All right. Well, we're going to give some examples here. We're going to keep the math simple so we can understand it. But you'll get the point of what we're trying to do here. So $30 an hour. We're paying them $30 an hour. Right. So $30 an hour times 40 hours times 52 weeks. We're just we're going to not worry about vacation right now. Just 52 weeks is $62,400 a year. So the wage is costing you $62,400 a year. That's pretty obvious. Everyone understands that. Now we start adding everything that comes with employing them. Now, most contractors understand like FICA, your federal, your income tax or all the employment taxes, all that stuff. Social Security, most contractors understand they have to pay that, right? So the cost above the wage is your employer, Social Security, Medicare, federal state unemployment where applicable, and other payroll taxes that your state may require. These aren't taken out of the $30. You have to pay this on top of that, right? So there are additional costs to the company. And here's a key point here, payroll taxes alone. mean that a $30 an hour employee costs way more than $30 an hour, which is what I just said. Now, this is a little sidebar here. This is the exact reason why many, many contractors break the law because they want to turn an employee, a W-2 employee into a 1099 contractor because they think it's easier. Hey, I could pay you $30 an hour plus a bunch of other things and have to put you on payroll and do taxes and unemployment, blah, blah, blah. How about I just pay you $35 an hour as a 1099 contractor? And the contractor's like, yeah, sign me up. I get an extra five bucks an hour. Plus I get to write off a bunch of stuff, you know, in my, all my personal stuff too. Everyone's misinformed. Everyone's breaking the law. Nobody understands for the better, right? So this is not having to pay these expenses is not a justification of using them as a 1099 contractor when indeed they are an employee, right? I just want to point that out because this is where people jump ship and they don't realize they're going to be in big trouble once the IRS catches up to them because it's not legal. You cannot treat a employee. and pay them as a 1099 contractor. It's completely illegal. And so many people give me pushback and they don't understand this. It's illegal, guys. Read the IRS's documentation on this. It's very clear. It's not even gray. It's black and white. All right, moving on. So then we got to talk about workers' comp. So workers' comp is a huge expense, especially if you're in a dangerous trade. Roofers, very high, right? Because... probability of falling off a roof and getting hurt is very high. So roofing workers comp is very, very high and different trades require different amounts of workers comp. So, you know, rates vary dramatically. Like I said, by trade classification, a carpenter versus an office employee are completely different risks. Even a carpenter can cut off an arm, whatever, fall off of, you know, framing, whatever, get hurt. An office employee probably not going to get hurt, right? And they get a paper cut. So even that's a difference. Here's a little tip too. When you are doing your workers comp, you need to break out your wages by the type of work they do. So if you do have three office employees and you do have, you know, three carpenters, those are different classes. And if you don't separate those by the wages, then you're going to get lumped in by the insurance agent, the insurance company at the highest rate, no matter what. If you have one carpenter and you have 10 office employees and you don't. break that out in your classification. All 10 office employees will be charged at the rate of the carpenter because that's the most expensive one. So insurance companies will always charge you at the highest rate across the board unless you break it out and say, no, these 10 people do this task, these three do this task, go on and so on. So another little side tip for you. All right, so we don't use someone else's percentages. We got to pull our actual workers comp costs. You can get that from your insurance agent. Your insurance agent should be able to give you all that information. And you need to understand how payroll changes the premium as well, like I just explained. All right, so benefits. What kind of benefits do you offer? Do you offer health benefits? Do you offer retirement contributions, IRA,401ks? Do you offer bonuses? Do you offer profit sharing? Do you offer some type of quarterly bonus, Christmas bonus? Do you offer some type of bonuses? Do you have life or disability insurance that you offer? Do you offer them short-term disability insurance, whatever? And then any other kind of employer paid benefits, do you buy them lunch weekly, right? Do you host a cookout at your office every Friday? Those are benefits that cost you money, right? And even like using the Friday cookout scenario, let's say you have 20 employees, you can say like, oh, that's an overhead cost, which is the cost of running the business. True, but if you got rid of 10 of your employees, right? Would your cost for that grill, that cookout, would it be cut in half, like your food cost? Yeah, it would be because you've lost half your workforce. So therefore, the amount of employees you have changes the cost of that cookout. Therefore, it's a direct cost of that employee. And it should be put into their labor burden. Yes, your Friday cookouts. should be put into your employee labor burden that your customers pay for. People watching this are like, I'm not going to pay for your company to provide a cookout. That's, you know, that's just your overhead. No, it's not. It's part of a total package. It's how you have a good crew. It's how you deliver the quality result to the customer because it's part, it's interwoven into that customer and the employee and the culture. And it's what allows you to provide a great experience for them. They benefit. The customer benefits from you providing benefits to your employees. That's why they pay for it. All right. Also paid time. You're not producing income or revenue rather. This is huge. This is absolutely huge. And if I had to pick one single thing that costs you a lot of money that you don't realize, it's nonproductive time. And so here are some, I'm going to give you different ones, but then I'm going to go off in one little tangent on one. You're potentially paying for vacations, holidays, sick days, PTOs, training, company meetings, safety meetings, right? And then those cookouts where you have them come in for two hours on Friday. You're paying for that. Somebody's paying for that. You, the company, are paying for it. You pass it on to the customer, right? Those are all non-producing, non-productive billable hours. I'm sorry, non-productive hours. They're non-billable hours. So we're not billing the customer directly those fees and we're not billing the job directly. The nonproductive side of it is where a lot of people lose money. So here's an example. You have an employee, you're paying them this 30 bucks an hour. And so far with all the benefits and everything, you know, it comes out to be like $38 an hour, right? We're paying an extra $8 an hour for all the other stuff so far. This is just an example. You bid a job, it's going to take 40 hours,40 man hours. And you're going to have your guy go out there and do this job. One week, right? 40 hours. It's going to take five days. What we don't take into consideration is the non-productive hours. So they show up at the job site. I'm sorry. They show up at the office at 7 a. m. They stand around for 5,10 minutes, joking around. You get stuff together. You have a quick little safety meeting. They're out the door by 7.20. And then they drive to the job site. Maybe it's 10,15 minutes later. Right? So they get to the job site around 7.30 or so,7.45. They're not supposed to be there until like, you know, maybe they're not supposed to be there until eight, but they get there at 745. They're waiting around for 15 minutes. Then they get in there and talk to the customer. They start setting things up, setting up their saws, the area, the work area. Now it's, you know, close to 830 before they swing a hammer. They started at seven. It's now 830. You just paid for an hour and a half of nonproductive time. So now they start at 830 and they work till. You know, noon, the customer comes home at noon and has a few questions. So that takes 20 minutes. Then they work until it's time to quit. So let's just say it's three o 'clock. They work till three, but they don't start. They don't stop swinging. They don't work to swing their hammer till three. And then the alarm goes off and they just leave. Right. So at two thirty, two forty, they start picking things up and cleaning stuff up. Then they get in their vehicle and they drive back and they're back by three thirty. It's another forty five minutes of nonproductive time. So on day one of the job that you thought was going to be eight hours of production time, you only had five and a half, maybe six, six and a half hours of productive time. So you're already an hour and a half, two hours behind the schedule of productive time. This goes on each day. So by the end of a 40 hour work week, you've paid your guy 40 hours, but he's only produced, you know, productive time. He's only worked 32 hours. You have a whole nother day that he has to work to finish that job. So a five day job takes six days. And this is where you lose money because you're bidding based on productive hours and you're not factoring in nonproductive hours. That's huge. Take this time, you know, take this same concept, concept. I can't talk. Concept. There we go. Words are tough. Take this same concept times a three-month project. Now, you know, instead of it being 200 man hours, it actually ends up costing you 250 man hours or 300 man hours because you didn't factor any nonproductive time. So this is, and then if it's, if your, if your rate is even lower. So if you're only charging that $30, $32 an hour when you should be charging $38, $40 an hour, and then you add an extra 50 hours you didn't account for, this is why you're losing thousands of dollars on every job and you don't even realize it. You get done, you're like, man, I thought I was going to make $8,000 profit on this job. I only made six. Where did the other $2,000 go? And then you yell at your crew for not being, quote, productive enough, for screwing around the job site. When in reality, they're not screwing around. You just didn't factor it in right.

    11:47

    Hey, just a quick timeout from the show. If you're a frustrated contractor who's dealing with low profit margins, stuck working on the tools every day, or doing free estimates for people who are never going to hire you in the first place, I invite you to my private contractor community, The Profit Club, where contractors just like you are adding two to three times more profit each year without producing any more jobs and finally getting completely off the tools to never do another free estimate again. So if you're ready to increase your profits, stop doing free estimates and get off to tools, then all you have to do is click the link in the show notes to learn more about the Profit Club and see how it can easily two to three times the cash in your pocket, give you a proven sales process that will convert more jobs with ease and get you off to tools once and for all. And the best part is you can do all of this without having to produce more jobs than you currently are. Click the link to learn more. Now let's get back to the show.

    12:42

    So paid time that you're not producing revenue is a huge, huge expense, and it has to go into their full burden. Another example, if you have a weekly meeting, you're going to meet once a week with your whole team for an hour. That's 52 hours a year that they're not producing, right? And so at, say, $38 an hour,38 times 52, that's how much it's costing you just to have a one-hour meeting every week times every employee. Again, take that times 10,20 employees, you're losing a lot of money, right? So remember, when they're not producing revenue, you're still paying for their time. Somebody has to pay for those hours. So we also, we don't want to mix labor burden with every business expense. So a lot of guys will put their overhead into their labor hour, their labor burden. You shouldn't do that. The only exception is if you do hourly rate billing. So you bill an hourly rate, like time and materials, then your overhead has to be put into your hourly rate because you have to cover that. So if I'm a one man handyman and I'm billing by the hour, I can't bill $40 an hour because that's what I pay myself. I got to bill like $150 an hour or $100 an hour because I have to pay all my expenses. That's the only exception. With everything else, your overhead comes out of your gross profit. And so you don't put your overhead into your labor burden. It just, that's not how you do it. Every crew that you add changes that number. Every employee you add changes your overhead number if you're putting your overhead into that labor burden. So the burden is what that employee costs the business, not what you need to charge to pay for everything. Those are two different things and you got to understand that. So your employees' direct labor cost isn't truck payments, general company software, office rent, marketing, general overhead. That doesn't go into your labor burden. Now, some people will argue about truck payments, truck gas, insurance, all that. Technically, it's an indirect cost. It's not a direct cost. It's an indirect cost. And so a lot of people will say, don't put your vehicle costs into your COGS. I typically put vehicle costs into COGS. Is that technically the right way to do it? No, but I would rather have that extra cost into my COGS, do my markup and make even more money than not have it in there and then lose money. So the only thing it hurts is that your price is going to be a little bit more because you're adding those expenses into the labor burden, which is going to, and then you add your markup, it's going to increase the price of the job. That's the only downside to it. You know, maybe if you're doing commercial and you're bidding. and it's really tight, then yeah, that may cost you a job if you're putting that in there, you're misclassifying it. But I put it in there. If you have a lead guy who has a company vehicle and you make truck payments, insurance, gas, maintenance, all of that cost gets assigned to that lead guy as his burden rate. So that's what that is. All right. But we don't put other stuff in there. We don't put marketing and we don't put office rent. We don't put that stuff into the labor burden. All right. Next cost per paid hour. versus cost per productive hour. So this is where we get fooled. So I just kind of went over this a little bit, but I'm going to dig this in a little bit deeper. An employee might get paid for roughly 2,080 hours a year. That's 40 hours a week. 40 hours a week times 52 is 2,080 hours. Like I said, you're not producing 2,080 hours a year, right? So Once you subtract your PTO days, your holidays, your training, your meetings, and other paid nonproductive time, it changes. So if the employee costs you $75,000 annually, $75,000 divided by 2,080 hours is $36.6 an hour. That's what it costs you. But if you're only producing 1,700 billable hours or productive hours, you take $75,000 and you divide it by 1,700. Because that's how many hours you can bill for. Instead of it being $36.6 an hour, it's now $44.12 an hour, right? So it went up $10. I'm sorry, not $10, $8. Wait a minute, my math's way off. Yeah, $8. It's costing you an extra $8 an hour. Same employee, same annual expense, right? But very different costs for productive hour, okay? So productive doesn't automatically mean efficient. So being physically on the job doesn't mean every hour went toward estimating production. Like I said before, sometimes you're waiting for materials. You got to go to the supply house. You're looking for tools, poor scheduling, rework, bad instructions, waiting for another trade to get out of the way or show up, customer interruptions. All of these things happen on almost every job and we're not taking that into consideration. So now we've moved on from labor burden to labor efficiency. That's what we're talking about. Those are two different problems. Okay, we got to make sure we address those. First, we have to know what our true labor burden cost is, and then we have to take efficiency into consideration. So if your true labor cost is $44 an hour, you're not charging $44 an hour. That's your cost. You still need a gross profit. So now if we're targeting a 50% gross profit margin, which is what I recommend, now we have to add a markup on top of that. So $44 an hour divided by 0.5 is $88 an hour selling price, right? Or you can take 44 times two, same scenario. you're going to get $88 an hour. But don't make this mistake that so many contractors make and I made early on. Your markup is not your margin. So to get a 50% gross profit margin, you have to do 100% markup. If you do a 50% markup, you're only going to get a 33.3% gross profit margin. So if you take 44 plus 50%, that only equals a $66 an hour rate, right? So that's a 50% markup. That's not a 50% margin. And so many people get this wrong. So again, $44 an hour, you sell it for $66 an hour, that's a 33.3% margin. If you sell it for $88 an hour, it's a 50% gross margin, percentage, right? So we're talking 17% difference. That's a lot, guys. 17% of a job is a lot. It's a lot of money you're leaving on the table. Then we have to add in a crew multiplier. So a small mistake. becomes a big number once you multiply this across multiple employees. Like I said, that's just one employee. If you have three, five,10,20 employees and you're making the same mistake, it's not an $8 an hour mistake. You know, eight, if you have four field employees, just four, which is a typical makeup of a remodeling company, and they're producing 1700 hours each, that is a total of $54,400 a year you are underpricing. costing you $54,000 a year because you're not pricing based on productive hours. That's what it's costing you. Just straight out of the pocket, $54,000. You're eating that. You might as well go to the bank, take $54,000 out of the bank, put it on the ground and light it on fire. It's the same thing because you don't know your true labor burden. Right. So you have to figure out what the number is for every field employee. You got to figure out their hourly wage, their annual base wages, their employee payroll taxes, their workers comp, the employer paid benefits, other legitimate direct labor burden, your total annual employment costs, your paid hours, your nonproductive paid hours, your realistic productive paid hours and your cost per productive hour. Those are things you got to figure out. And then you compare that to what you've been using. So you've been estimating at $35 an hour and you actually need to be charging $44 an hour. You just found a major profit leak in your business. Major profit leak. Right. So at this point, you understand what are the differences? What is a labor burden? What do I need to put into it? I just explained all the stuff you got to factor into it. So you've got two options here. You can sit down and go over all these numbers that I just told you. Factor all this stuff in. Do it manually. Calculate it. Right. Or you can just let me do the math for you. Now, this isn't some, I'm not doing this as like a commercial. I'm not trying to sell you something, but this is just a reality. I put together a labor burden worksheet for this very reason, because it can be very difficult to calculate all of this stuff. So the labor burden worksheet does all of that for you. And you can actually grab it. It's only $39. Now it's, guys, it's worth $39. I promise you, if it's not, tell me, I'll give your money back. You keep the worksheet. We'll put a link in the show notes so that you can get access to this. But I'm telling you, even if you don't use the worksheet, I don't care. You have to factor this into your total labor burden, right? You have to. It's costing you thousands of dollars. So make sure you get this right. So like I said, we'll put the link in the show notes. It's $39. It'll tell you exactly what it's going to cost you. The other benefit of this worksheet is that if you have multiple people, you can build out teams. And it will tell you like what your cost per team is. So it breaks down what is your labor, you know, what's the labor burden rate per hour, per day, per week, per month, per year. And then what are all these costs are per hour, per day, all that stuff. So you'll know exactly like, hey, you know, my office time, my meetings cost me $2 per hour per employee. Or that vehicle for my lead guy cost me $3 per hour, whatever it is. It breaks all that stuff down. And then you build your teams. If you have a three-man team, it'll tell you like this three-man team cost you $700 a day, $800 a day. So it's very, very thorough. It's very helpful. So we'll put the link in the show notes. You can grab that. It's a labor burden worksheet. I did it for this exact reason because I struggled so much with trying to understand what it truly costs my employees. So guys, that's the end of the episode. On the next episode, we're continuing on our series from the first one that we did, the seven leaks. The next episode, we're going to be talking about what your efficiency, right? I'm sorry. I can't even read my own notes. The next episode, we're talking about the scope creep, how scope creep really hurts us in our profits, right? So this is the typical, hey, while you're here, we're going to dive deeper into that and talk about it. you know, giving away labor rate, whether we do it on purpose, whether you're on accident, whether our team members do it on purpose or accident, we're going to cover that. So we're talking about scope, creep, free work, and how those little extras quietly eat away at your profit. Make sure you turn in next week for that episode. Guys, thanks for hanging out with me. I really appreciate it. Make sure you go over to the Hammer and Grind podcast website. Leave a review. Leave a voicemail. Tell me what the next topic should be, what you want me to cover, what you like, what you don't like. Give me feedback. I'd appreciate it. And I do have one small ask. If you've listened to one or more episodes and you've gotten value, a small thank you is to go leave a review. Just go to your favorite platform, whether it's Spotify, iTunes. I don't care. You can even go to the Google account and leave it there. But just leave a review about the podcast. I'd really appreciate it. It helps us rank. It helps me to want to go out and make more content, more volume, not volume, more episodes and bring you more value. That's it, guys. Thanks for hanging out with me. Remember, until next time we meet, profit is not a dirty word.

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