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    Hammer & Grind : Built For Contractors
    Episode•June 8, 2026•54 min

    EP274: Niche Marketing for Contractors: Scale Your Business with Smart Strategies | Part 1

    Learn proven niche marketing techniques tailored for contractors to help you attract the right clients and scale your business. Packed with tips on contractor sales strategies, profitability, and managing business challenges, this episode is essential for contractor success. In this episode, Brad talks about: Why contractors receive bad leads The dangers of broad marketing messages The importance of niching down services How generic marketing makes contractors sound like commodities The significance of online presence and authority in today’s market Link to Resources: This episode is sponsored by iGUIDE — the smarter way to capture, measure, and market your projects. With accurate floor plans, immersive 3D tours, and detailed property data, iGUIDE helps contractors and real estate professionals showcase their work with confidence and precision. Learn more at https://hammerandgrind.com/iguide Want to go deeper? Check out the Contractor Profit Blueprint: https://www.thecontractorprofitblueprint.com/ Book a strategy call with Brad: https://hammerandgrind.com/qualification-website Help us get the word out to other contractors by leaving us a review or sharing our podcast! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Most contractors are creating marketing that attracts the wrong

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    people, sounds like everyone else, and fails to build authority. Hey, it's Brad here. It's 2026, and you're still using a tape measure and grid paper to do your drawings. That's why I'm excited to tell you about today's sponsor, iGUIDE. With the iGUIDE Planix R1 camera and laser system, you can capture an entire home in about 45 minutes. all of your measurements, photos, and a detailed floor plan all at once. No hand sketches, no guessing, no more. Was that wall 10 foot or was it nine foot? Or, oh man, I forgot to measure the window offset. You just hit start and walk away. That's it. You're starting the job with accurate as-builds. And you can export straight to DXF, DWG, or RVT files so you and your team can get to work immediately. Miss something? Well, you don't have to worry about that because it's all right there in virtual land waiting for you. This is how you avoid costly mistakes. This is how you reduce change orders. And this is how you run a tighter operation. And more importantly, it's how you protect your margins. If you're serious about operating like a pro in 2026, it's time to upgrade. Go to hammerandgrind. com forward slash iGUIDE. That's I-G-U-I-D-E to order your iGUIDE Planix R1 camera today and start running your jobs the right way. Hey, welcome back to the show. I am your host, Brad, and today is going to be part one of a three-part mini-series. So make sure you come back to get part two and three in the next few weeks. So today we're talking about marketing and this information comes from marketing calls that we do in my coaching program. So every week we have a marketing coaching call. where we get on there and help contractors figure out what kind of marketing problems they're dealing with, how to solve them, and go into the future, what are best practices. So what we've done is we've taken all of our coaching calls. We threw them into AI and had them summarize and figure out what are the top three issues that contractors are facing all the time with their marketing. And we're going to break into that today. And then tomorrow or not tomorrow, rather than the next episode, uh, we'll be on sales. And then the following episode will be on kind of general business issues. So make sure you come back for those, those episodes. So today we're going to be talking about three specific ones. Why do contractors keep getting bad leads? Why most contractor marketing sounds exactly the same? And why are contractors falling behind online? So these are the three biggest things that people are dealing with. And so we're going to dive into them. Hopefully that'll help you as well, because you're more than likely struggling with these same issues. All right, number one, why are contractors getting bad leads? Why do we keep getting bad leads? Well, there's lots of reasons. that tie into this. Okay. One of the, one of the main reasons is that you're using lead generation sources, and those are by far the lowest level, worst quality leads you can get. I'm talking about the Angie's list, the, uh, you know, the thumbtacks, the, uh, house, you know, marketing, all these ones where you pay a dollar or pay a certain amount and they generate leads for you. Oftentimes they're selling them to multiple contractors. A lot of times they're fake leads. They just take your money. Not only are they bad leads, but they also will eat up a ton of money. And if you're not careful, they can just, you can wake up one day and have tens of thousands of dollars of fees that you weren't even expecting. Okay. Now I'm not saying there isn't a time and place for those services. There can be. It does depend on the type of work you're doing. Service businesses typically do better. If you're a plumber, electrician, you do service work. Those can be a fairly good source. If you're a remodeler, home builder, people that do larger projects, they typically aren't the best. The thing with those are you may get one lead in a six-month period, and that one lead could pay for all of the marketing that you've received, all the rest of the leads. but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the best use of your time. So I like to look at those as like, once you've figured out every other possible marketing stream that you can use, and you're still looking to get more leads because you're trying to scale your business, then you may add that on at the very end. Okay. But that's definitely not a top 10 that I would even recommend. Okay. So sometimes they're using lead sources, you know, paid lead gen sources. Those are terrible. Okay. But I'm not always talking about the sources. per se, what I'm talking about is that the way you market your business and the, and the, the main reason here, and it's, I'm laughing at myself because I, I thought the same thing. The main reason is always a limiting belief. It's almost always a limiting belief. And every person I talk to every contractor, myself, it's a limiting belief. And that is this belief that if I offer more services and I broad and I market more broadly, I'll have the best opportunity to get more leads. In other words, what I call the, you know, the fishing with a net theory. So you're trying to throw a net into the water and you're just trying to catch whatever fish you can get. Well, the problem is if you're looking, you know, if you're trying to catch for a specific type of fish, say a bass, well, you're going to catch maybe some bass. You're going to catch some bluegills, some crappies, some catfish, some whatever else that's out there. Like you're going to catch a bunch of fish and you're going to have to cull through all of those bad leads to find that one. good lead or that one bass. You may catch 10 fish. One of them is a bass, nine of them are other fish. So you have to go through those nine bad fish to find that one. There's a saying that I say all the time. Most people, not some, not a few, not a lot, most, as in 70 to 80%,70 to 80% of people who call you are not going to be your customer. They are not going to be your customer. The idea of every person who calls me as a potential customer is wrong. You should not think that way. It's not your job to close everyone that calls you. Okay. So knowing this going into it, they're like, okay, most people that call me are not going to be my customer. I can deal with a pre-qualification process. However, you can change that. And the only way you can change that is if you niche down in the services that you offer and you niche down in how you market your business. Okay. So let me go through a couple of things here. You market too broadly. So you try to appeal to everyone. You know, if you're a homeowner and you're breathing and you own a house, you know, we can help you. Wrong. If you do say bathroom remodels, you're only trying to appeal to people who want a bathroom remodel done and are fit the right type of avatar that you're looking for. They're the right customer. So not only are we trying to just appeal to bathroom people that want bathroom models, we're only trying to appeal to a very specific subset of people. And you have to know what your customer avatar is to do this. You have to do a lot of research on your customer avatar. So the we do kitchens, bath decks, roofing, flooring additions, handyman work, you know, the people that have the salad salad bowl of bullet points on the side of their van. Wrong. Just just wrong. And this is somebody who used to do handyman work starting out, then got into remodeling. You know, I started out with a bunch of bullet points and then I narrowed them way, way, way, way down to just maybe two or three. Because I realized that it's not, it doesn't work that way. The more you do does not make you more appealing. It makes you less appealing. I can prove it to you right now. If you had to have brain surgery to save your life, would you go to a brain surgeon or would you go to a generalist who does surgery on all parts of the body? Which one would you go to? Everyone would say I would go to a brain surgeon because that's kind of a big deal. You know, somebody screws up, I could die. I could not be able to talk or whatever. That's exactly the same across every industry everywhere. Right. You can go to a mechanic, right, to have work done on your vehicles. You can go to a general mechanic. But if you need some type of specialty work done, if you need your transmission rebuilt. You wouldn't go to a general mechanic. You would go to someone who specializes in transmissions and rebuilding transmissions. It's the same thing, no matter what industry, dentist, whatever. But for some reason, there's this huge disconnect with contractors where they think that specific type of logic doesn't apply to them. It's just, well, I can do whatever, so I can do it. No, that is not how your customers see you. When you are a generalist, then you are not, appealing to anyone who's specifically looking for a solution, right? When you try to service everyone, then you actually appeal to no one. You have to find a specific niche and you have to stick with it. The broad messaging attracts broad quality leads, right? The whole one call does it all, barf. The whole, you know, from the foundation to the roof, we do it all, barf. Like that stuff doesn't work, guys. Maybe 20,30 years ago it worked. Today it doesn't work. There's too many options. There's too much available information. It just, it doesn't work anymore. You can't be the one call that does it all. I don't care if you're a general contractor and you sub everything out, you still should not be doing everything. If you're a general contractor and you do, say, room additions, then sure, you're going to have other subs that do some of the work. And so by that logic, you can do several different things. Right? Like you could, if somebody wanted concrete, you could do that. If somebody wanted, you know, custom carpentry, you could do that because you're just calling the specific trades. But from a marketing perspective, if you do remodeling or you do room additions, that's all you should do. You shouldn't do room additions and basement remodeling and garages and so on and so on. You have to be specific, right? If I wanted to put a pool in my backyard, I wouldn't call a general contractor. I would call someone who builds pools. If I wanted a hardscape, you know, in my backyard, like a sitting area with natural stone and a fireplace, I wouldn't call a general contractor. I would call a hardscape specialist. I wouldn't just call any landscaper. I would call someone who specializes in hardscapes or maybe even they specialize in like super over the top fireplaces. You have to get away from this broad strokes apply to everyone. It doesn't, it hurts you. It hurts you severely. You know, and I, I, I, well, I've talked about it before, but one of my clients who, you know, he was doing general remodeling, but you know, mainly kitchens and baths and he was struggling to get leads and he didn't enjoy it. We found his passion. He started doing wine cellars. He's like, well, I never even thought that was an option because I didn't think there would be enough people that would want wine cellars. I'm like, dude, you live in New Orleans. Like there's a bunch of winos down there. Of course, there are going to be people that want wine cellars. And so he's rebranded, started his wine cellar business. And now he's all he does is wine cellars. And he started out doing the work himself as a carpenter because he's a finished carpenter. Now he's just a sub. He just subs everything out. And so he went from struggling to do remodeling and he was very good at what he did, but struggling to do remodeling to now he's in high demand. And just last week or the week before, he sold his first $100,000 wine cellar. He's already consulted with professional NFL players who need wine cellars. All he did was specialize. That's it. It didn't change his ability to do the work. He could do the exact same quality work in the bathroom model or kitchen remodel and provide the exact same experience. But he wasn't positioned like that. He didn't have enough authority. It wasn't niche enough. He switched to wine cellars. Now he's killing, right? He's happier than he's ever been. So like, this is what I'm talking about. You cannot market with broad strokes. Also, when you market with broad strokes, it costs you way more to market. You can't just say, you know, we do everything. It's not going to show up in SEO. It's not going to catch people's attention. You know, the best marketers, not marketers, the best website builders will tell you that you have to have a landing page for each service, which I tend to agree with that. So if you're marketing for kitchen remodels and you run a Facebook ad, that ad should land on a landing page that is just dedicated to kitchen remodels. So if you do offer different services, all your marketing has to be specialized. So you'd have to run marketing for kitchens. You'd have to run marketing for bathrooms. You'd have to run marketing for basement remodels. Each one of those is like a separate business. And so by doing those three different things, you're tripling the cost of your marketing to be effective. If you only have $5,000 a month in marketing, then you have to divide that up amongst those three different types. And so, you know, singularly, you're not getting as much traction, as much coverage. If you had $5,000 and you only marketed for bathrooms, you would get $5,000 worth of bathrooms. But if you have to separate that to the three, you're not getting $5,000, right? You're getting much less. You're getting only $1,500 or a few thousand dollars of what that is. So your marketing costs more when you're too broad. And then within the messaging itself, it's too broad, right? So a lot of times contractors run super vague ads, a weak messaging, no niche positioning, no project minimums, no prequalification. It's just, hey, we do construction, call us. Like that's the overarching theme. We do construction call us. That is not effective marketing. That's why you get people that call you who can't afford it, who don't even are asking for do the work that you don't even do. Right. Do you, you know, I see you do basement remodeling. Can you build a room addition for me? That doesn't necessarily go together. Right. So like you're, you're attracting people that are not who you're looking for. Just as an example, and I'm not saying you should do this, but just as an example, if I just wanted to work with veterans, right? That's my target demographic is veterans. And I made a Facebook ad or some type of marketing message that say something like, you know, we're the choice that veterans go to, or we only work with veterans or something along the fact of like, we're our only people that we work with as veterans. Do you think I'm going to get more veterans calling me or less veterans calling me? More than likely, I'm going to get more veterans calling me. That doesn't mean I'm going to get the job. It just means I get the first look. They're going to contact me. Also means that people who are not veterans, if that's not my ideal customer, they're not going to probably call me because I literally said I only work with veterans. Now, they may call and hope that you can work with them. But if you say I only work with veterans. we only service veterans or we only service, you know, caps or aging in place people, or we only service this, or we only do this, you're going to attract those people that want that, but you're also going to push away the people that don't fit that description. You'll still get a few trickle in there, but the people that are like, if you're like, we only serve as veterans and I fall on your page, like, oh man, I'm not a veteran. I guess they won't even serve me. I may not even call you. Right. So like this is, you got to think along the lines of being specific. Specific is terrific. Remember that. The goal of marketing isn't to attract everyone. It's to attract the right people and to repel the wrong ones, the bad people. So also if I work with, you know, high influence, high influential people that are, you know, doctors or lawyers and, you know, they're making three, $400,000 a year, all this. I'm not going to go and market in the trailer park because those people are not my client. But that's what you're doing when you just run out like a general broad messaging campaign. It's like we do bathroom models and you send it to everyone in a certain city. Well, the people that live in the trailer park are going to see it. The people that can't afford it are going to see it. The people that can't afford it may see it. Right. And so like that's the thing. You have to be very specific. There's so much pushback on this, and this is why it's number one. Everyone's logic on this is completely backwards. The more specific, the more niche with your business and your marketing, the more success you will have. All right, let's move on to, I hope that's clear. I mean, I can't make it any more clear. I have days of evidence to prove this. But Brad, I've been in business for 30 years, and I've always had that one call does it all, and I do really well. Then you dig into the actual facts and it's not even close. This person does, you know, two jobs a year by himself and he only needs four leads. That's not the same as a company that needs 20 leads a month. Like it just doesn't work like that. It's not scalable. All right, let's go to number two. Why most contractor marketing sounds exactly the same. So not only are we marketing to the wrong people with generic talk, But our generic talk makes it sound like just everyone else, and now we've become a commodity. I wouldn't go get gas. I wouldn't go pay 50 cents more per gallon gas when there's a gas station right next door, literally next door for 50 cents cheaper. I would go to the cheaper one. That's what you're doing when you sound like everyone else because every gas station is the same. There could be 30 gas stations on one strip, and they're all the same. They sell gas, and they're all within a penny of each other. So why would I go to the one that's 50 cents more? Because you sound the same. Now, maybe you have something special. Maybe your gas that you sell is a special formula and it allows you to get three times the gas mileage. Well, now that's different, right? Now our marketing can be different. We have a different position. Our marketing might be our gas gets three times more per gallon than every other gas station. Well, now I'm interested and now I may go pay that extra 50 cents. So you can't sound just like everyone else. Okay. Every contractor says the exact same thing. Quality work, licensed and insured, family owned, free estimates, veteran owned, customer satisfaction guaranteed. All you sound the same. And the thing is, some point in the past, I don't know if it was 10 years ago,20 years ago, whatever, but somewhere in the past, Really smart marketers discovered that these keywords helped people build trust. And then you ended up with, you know, hacks and scam artists and people that suck at what they do hire a marketing company. They use these fancy keywords and they're actually complete bull crap or bullshit. Like, that's not true. Like, you know, you get some scam artist who puts on their, you know, family owned or. highest rated or whatever the, whatever that keyword is. And so someone hires them and then they get screwed. So the, the general market temperature is we don't really believe what people put on the side of their vehicles anymore, because there's too many people that have, you know, not held up to that. You could put on there, we're the best, we're the number one rated, you know, highest quality, highest satisfaction guarantee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But if you don't actually deliver that, it's, It's not going to work and people are going to see right through it. So they don't, they don't lead with that anymore. When they're qualifying someone, they don't use that information to qualify you. It's just, Oh, okay. Well, it's nice that they're licensed and bonded insured, but let me do more research to make sure that that's actually true. Right. In the past that you could just go off of that information and be like, Oh, okay, cool. I want to hire someone who's veteran owned. Well, there's a lot of veterans out there who screw people. I mean, it's just, just because you have a certain, disposition about something doesn't mean that you're good at what you do. So none of that stuff differentiates you anymore from the competition. You sound just like everyone else. Our quality sets us apart. Our quality speaks for itself. Wrong. Think about this for a second, guys. People are buying you before they get the opportunity to experience your quality. The only thing you have are pictures and videos. And pictures can be lied. They can be dockered. And now even videos could be AI generated and fake. So really, there's no physical evidence that proves what you're saying is true in terms of quality. Because it can all be faked now. I can go online, get canned photos, stock photos, say, here's a stair job that I did, and I never did it. So I can say my quality speaks for itself, but the problem is you're selling. the job before they get to experience the quality. So using quality as an, as a way to differentiate yourself, doesn't do it anymore. It just doesn't do it. And by the way, quality work is the minimum expectation of what you should be doing. People don't hire someone and expect to get less quality work. That's the bare minimum to entry. So that's not even something you should hang your hat on. You shouldn't be saying we do quality work. No, no shit. You should do quality work. That's what you, that's why you're in business. That's the bare minimum to be in business is to do quality work. You wouldn't go and buy services or product from anyone else and accept a lower quality standard. You would be pissed off. Right. And you would. Again, there's this disconnect in contractors' heads where everything else that they do themselves personally makes sense, but as soon as it's their business, there's this huge disconnect where they don't think anything else applies to them. They're special and the exception to the rule. No. All you have to do is look at how you buy something else. It's the same way people buy you. So don't think that these words and fancy words are going to separate you. They don't. You know, homeowners don't buy quality. What I was saying, they buy certainty, they buy trust, they buy clarity, and they buy risk reduction. They buy certainty of achievement. If I hire you, am I certain that I'm going to get the outcome and result and service that I want? How can you build that certainty? It's not words, right? How do we build trust? Well, if I see videos of you talking, If you have stuff in your profile that makes you seem like you're a legit person, if you have evidence of you volunteering at the homeless shelter or doing this or that, and there's evidence that suggests you're a good person, then that's more likely to build trust. If you have a ton of reviews that can all be substantiated, that helps build trust. If you have a very clear process of what it's like to work with you, that helps build clarity. I'm not wondering what the next step is. I'm not wondering when you're going to give me an estimate, right? But this is all things that you can do to build clarity. And then risk reduction can be warranties. It can also be reviews. If you have a bunch of reviews, it helps build that trust and make it seem like you're a legit company, which reduces the risk. There's all these things you can do that people are looking for, right? They're trying to avoid. Finding contractors that ghost them, that blow their budgets out the water, a. k. a. you just guessed at a price and then you're just going to change order them to death. Bad worksmanship, right? They want to avoid that. They want to avoid unfinished jobs. They've all heard of the nightmares. Everyone is skeptical of you. You should just understand in the construction industry, the entire general public is very skeptical of you. You have to overcome that skepticism and words on the side of your truck that say we do quality work does not do that at all whatsoever. So you have to figure out how to do that, right? You have to have problem-based messaging, not just we build beautiful bathrooms. That's generic. You're a commodity. Everyone says that, you know, you can do things like, You know, our clients keep coming back to us over and over. Our average client, we end up doing three or four projects for them. Not those exact words, but something along those lines, we're saying, you know, we're trustworthy and we can solve some problems for you. Or, you know, we're the ones that everyone calls when they absolutely positively need it done the best way possible or something like that. I'm just riffing here. So I don't have, maybe I have the best. examples, but you focus on more problems than you do on, you know, why you're the best. We build beautiful bathrooms is all about you. That's your ego talking. That doesn't help the client whatsoever. If we, if you say something like we're, you know, we focus on providing our clients with the best possible solution to their unique problems. People call us because we're really good at solving problems. Or no, I wouldn't say that because that says we. People call us to have their problems addressed in a creative way. Something to that effect. Again, I'm just riffing here. So you got to have more problem-based or even problem-aware. Problem-aware. I have one client who is a masonry contractor, does brick repair. I can't even talk. What do you call that? A brain just stopped working. You're a, holy cow. Yeah, I can't even think of what it's called now. When you fix the grout, tuck pointing, there you go. People, they do tuck pointing. They fix grout and stuff. So when I was consulting with him and working with him, I was like, you need to have a problem aware solution. Now people, when they call you, Again, this is something to keep in mind. Hey, just a

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    People don't know the words and technology and the language that's being used, right? If you're a Mason, you know what tuck pointing is. If you're a homeowner, you have no idea what tuck pointing is. So if you say we are the tuck pointing experts, there's a portion of the general public has no idea what that even means because you're not using their language. You're using industry insider language. So what is a more obvious thing that you do? Even though it's not technically what you do, we put on their truck, got cracked brick. Like the old got milk campaigns you've seen, got milk, question mark. We put on their door, got cracked brick, question mark. Now, they can fix cracked brick, but their main thing is tuck pointing. But when people see brick walls, they see the cracks in the grout, right? Not the grout, the mortar. And they think, oh, my brick is cracked. They don't think my mortar is cracked. So we're using their language. So the gap got brick, got cracked brick campaign works really well for them. Cause now I feel like, Oh yeah, I do have cracked brick. I didn't know who can, I didn't know somebody actually did that. I need to call this company. That's making them problem aware or even solution aware, right? They have a problem. Now you have a solution. So that's a clever one. I have a, there's a, he's married to my cousin. He owns a, pest control, not path. Well, he does it. He does do pass, but he do a road in control. Like they remove raccoons and, you know, things like that from, um, addicts and stuff. And he has on his truck noises in the attic question mark. I mean, clever, not clever, not even clever. Awesome. Just beautiful. That is, that is a perfect example. And the other day I was talking to him like a couple of weeks ago, I saw him at the gym and I said, Hey man, how did you come up with the, you know, noises in the attic? And he said, well, I didn't think about it until like really people kept calling me and saying, hey, I hear noises in my attic. Can you come out and look? I hear noises in my attic. And so people are calling him using that language. I hear noises in the attic, noises in the attic. And he's smart enough to put two and two together and put on there as his marketing campaign, noises in the attic, question mark. That is really, really good marketing messaging, guys. Right? If you say, we get rid of raccoons. Well, they don't know it's a raccoon. They just know there's noises in their attic. So you search for noises in the attic or I hear noises in the attic. What could it be? Boom. He pops up. Got noises in the attic. We do, you know, rodent removal. We do precision wildlife removal. Like that is good marketing messages. He doesn't have on there. We're really, really good at removing raccoons from your attic. Right. We're the best at rodent care. No, it's got noises in the attic. It relates. It's their language. So specificity wins, like I was just telling you. So last thing, number three, is why contractors are falling behind online. Online matters way, way more than anything else right now, guys. All of your efforts should be online. Now, I will tell you this. Long-term, long-term, from a lead gen source, long-term, networking is the best. But long-term means it takes a long time to build up your network. It can take years to build up a solid network of people that are referring you, which is good. But here's the thing. There's two things that people typically do in two different directions. So one is they ask their friends, hey, do you know any good contractors? And they go, yeah, actually, this is, matter of fact, one of my best friends tested me yesterday. He said, hey, man, I got a, My cousin or whatever wants to remodel their attic. They want to finish it out, put drywall. I'm not in the business anymore. He knows I'm in construction, obviously. He messaged me and said, hey, do you know anyone who can do this? Do you have a recommendation? And I gave him a recommendation of my old boss that I used to work for before I started my own business. And I said, yeah, I don't know if he's got time or not, but he could do the job. That's a recommendation. So the first thing people do is they ask for recommendations. My wife wants her windows tinted in her car, and I'm looking for someone that does mobile detailing, specifically for our camper. I washed our camper yesterday, and I just hate doing it. So those are two things I'm going to post on social media. Hey, local friends, I need some recommendations. Who does good window tinting and who does the mobile detailing? So recommendations, referrals are one way. But once they get the referral, then oftentimes they go to their website to check them out. So they get the recommendation first, and then they do the due diligence online. Okay, that's one direction. The other direction is they go online, do an AI search or a Google search. They find your website, your online persona, your online information. They find that first. And then they go through the process of figuring out whether or not you're the contractor they want to work with. Usually it's through some type of phone call or consultation, whatever, right? They may even go ask for recommendations on a website, on a social page, whatever. They may find you online, right? They have cracked brick. They go online and go, does anybody fix cracked brick? They see your business that got cracked brick and we do tuck pointing and masonry work. Perfect. I got the company. Now I'm going to go on social. I'm going to ask my friends, Hey, does anyone, has anyone ever worked with this company or have had any experience with them? So now I'm building the trust on the backside. So they go online first. A lot of times they may like what they see, but then they have to build the trust secondary. Or they go a referral route first. They receive the trust through the transfer of trust as a referral, and then they go online to see if they like you. So there's a no like and trust perspective that goes here. If you're not online, they don't even know you, first of all. Even if you get a referral, they have nowhere they can go to justify or due diligence on you, right? Because if you're not online. But the know, like, and trust always has to happen. Those three things have to happen. They have to know you exist. They have to like you, you know, what you do and the type of work that you do and who you are. And they have to trust that they're going to get those results, right? The certainty of achievement, all that stuff. So it's one of those two. You always have to have a like and trust portion of that. So if you don't have, if you're not online at all, first of all, you're way, way, way, way behind. And then if you don't know how to use online to it. to leverage that and speed up the process and make you the expert, then you're way, way, way behind. Right? So, you know, the transcripts of your, not transcript, sorry, the messaging, the copy that's on all of your contact, all of your online persona, you know, it helps with the SEO, the Google rankings, the content. you know, the creation of additional content, map, pack, visibility, reviews, authority building, consistency, so on and so on. There's so much nuanced stuff that happens in here that you guys are missing. You think it's a once and done thing. Oh, I built a website on Wix. I'm good. Like that's my online persona. Wrong. Like that's you're basically doing a NASCAR race with a tricycle. Like you building your own website on Wix and that's the only presence you have online is you just, you know, you went out and grabbed your tricycle and now you're trying to compete in NASCAR Daytona 500. That's, that's literally what it's like. The people that are doing the SEO, that are making content, that are building authority, that are building the trust, that are educating, that are doing all this on multiple platforms. They are the ones that are racing a NASCAR and you show up with your tricycle and think you're going to compete with them. That's what's happening because you have no online presence, no online authority, nothing. And with AI now, they just say, hey, AI, what's the best three remodeling contractors in my town? Who specializes in bathroom remodels? You have nothing, so you don't even show up, right? With Google, it gives you a bunch of different things. With AI, it just tells you who to call. And if you don't even show up there, then they don't even know you. They don't even know you exist. Right? This whole, you know, if I build my business, they will come. That's complete bullshit. Like you have to put in the effort and the energy and the time and the money to shout from the rooftops with a megaphone about who you are, what you do, and why people should trust you. And it's a nonstop activity. I was talking with one of my clients this morning. We had our one-on-one accountability call and they're struggling with leads. And we're talking about some of this stuff. And I was showing them, you know, about creating content, like, you know, making videos. Well, Brad, I don't like making videos. I don't want to be on camera. Too bad. Get over it. Get your daughter or son to do it. Get one of your employees, get somebody to do it if you truly can't do it. Right? You know what I did? I went out and actually paid money. to have Hollywood screenwriters and actors teach me how to be good on camera. I paid a lot of money. Why? Because I realized how good or not how good, how important it is. Now that's after I had already been going live and making content in my construction business for seven, eight years ago. I went live on Facebook in my construction business over 10 years ago. Like when it first, when Facebook first started offering lives, I was going live. And I remember the very first live that I went on. I still remember to this day, had no script, had no idea what I was doing. I just went live and people saw it. Right. So like you can still do stuff, even if you're not good at it, you will get good at it through repetition. So fast forward until. I don't know, five years ago when I knew I was going to start doing coaching and I was going to start creating content, that's when I hired the actors and screenwriters to help me even further dial in that process. So we were looking at TikTok videos. And my first TikTok videos from almost five years ago, but over 2021, yeah, they were not very good. The content was good, but the actual videos and stuff, the quality, You know, the hooks and all that, like it was just not very good at all. But fast forward to today, I have over 800 videos on TikTok alone. So if you do 800 videos of anything or 800 reps of anything, you're going to be much, much better at it than when you first started. I promise you, you can't not be good at it, right? So sometimes it just takes repetition. And, you know, action beats perfectionism. 100 times the one. Action beats perfectionism 100 times the one. Back to the NASCAR scenario. Let's say they built this brand new track and there's going to be a race in a week and you have to have a different type of car, all this stuff. Well, you can go out there and build something that's crappy. and get out on the track and start racing, you know, like a week before, start using the track, practicing, practicing, practicing, dialing it in, practicing, dialing it in, practicing. And the other company, other teams can be waiting and trying to perfect everything in their, you know, in their shop before they go out on a track. You now have 100,200 laps in on this track with your car before they even show up on the day before due to their practice, you know,10 lap practice and their trial. Pre-trial racing. You already have a hundred laps in. You will know the track. You already know the track. You already know your car. You've dialed it in. That's the difference. Like taking action and learning throughout the way you, the first day you went out there, your car is a piece of crap. It didn't even make it one lap. You went back, you tweaked it. You did it better. You learned, you got better. You learned, you got better and better and better and better. So when it's time to perform at the real level, then you're, you're far ahead of everyone else because the other cars are just, they're just trying to perfect it. Action beats perfection all the time, every time, all the time. So massive action, learn on the way and start doing it. So as far as like showing up online, you're falling behind, you're not using AI, you're not on social media, you know, you're doing things that were effective five years ago, but they're not effective today. You're not showing up in SEO. Like you have very generic stuff. You know, when you do a, when you do a premier project, a showcase, Project, you should be hiring professional photographers that come in and videographers and do a big piece on that. That should be one of your staple projects on your website. Don't go out there with your flip phone from 1992 and, you know, whatever it was and take, you know,500 megapixel pictures and think that's going to be good enough. It's not. Like, you have to do some of these things. You have to jump through some hoops, whether you like it or not. You have to. If you want to. Keep up. So most contractors have basic website, a few photos, a generic service page, very little content, no educational material at all, no social media, no videos, nothing. You just think, oh, I did the requirement, Brad. I built a website. I don't understand why I'm not getting good leads. Yeah, because again, you're showing up on the tricycle. You've done the very, very, very, very, very bare minimum. Whether you like it or not, this is what you have to do. You have to market your business. You have to. I don't care if you hire someone to do stuff for you. I don't care if you hire someone to build your website, do SEO, film content. The guy I was telling you about that did the wine cellars, he recently hired a company to come in and do on-site video shooting. So they would plan out like a half day or two hour, half day video shoot. They come out, they videotape him, a bunch of different videos, different questions, different topics, different angles. And then they professionally edit it. And then he's posting and they look amazing. They look really, really good. Like I told him the other day, I was like, I don't even drink wine, but I want to build a wine cellar just to hire you. Because they're really, really good. And a year ago, he was scared to death to be on camera. He didn't want to be on camera. You have to do what you have to do. You know, luckily he's, he put in the effort and he made the decision that it's important. He started doing it. So you have to do these things. You know, as far as building authority, Google rewards authority on Google on signals. They want signals like evidence that you're active, you're trusted, you're specialized and you're relevant, right? If your blog posts are from 20 years ago on your website, you know, you made 50 blog posts 20 years ago because you had a lot of foresight and you thought that was the way to go. And it worked well for, you know,15 years. But then all of a sudden, all the information on there is irrelevant. Right. You're doing videos and I mean, blog posts on stuff that was technology used 20 years ago. Now, no one uses that technology. That piece of information is irrelevant. So even if you're an authority figure today, it doesn't mean five years from now, you're still going to be in that position. You constantly have to fight to stay in first. But Google wants those signals and that information comes from reviews, service pages. blogs, FAQs, video content, project content, topical authority. FAQs, very simple, frequently asked questions. This podcast right now is essentially an FAQ of the questions that we get on our coaching calls, the most frequently asked questions. So you put on your website an FAQ section that says, how long does a typical, you know, how long does a bathroom model take? And you answer it. Typical master bathroom takes three weeks. How long does the kitchen remodel take? Typical kitchen remodel takes six weeks, whatever it is for you, right? How much does a project cost? Typical projects start this or they cost this or they arrange this. You know, do I do, uh, do I need permits for my job? You answer it. Like all these frequently asked questions, you put them on your website. Why? Because people go online and they search for, do I need permits for my job? How long does a typical bathroom remodel take to do? They're asking those questions. Google says, well, hey, this company over here answered this question. They answered this exact question. That makes you a topical authority. Makes you the expert because you're answering those questions. All right. So what else? Also, the ones that are winning the most are the ones that are educating. They're constantly educating their audience. Again, I have over 800 videos. I was talking to the people that I was talking to this morning, my clients. He said, and I was showing them my TikToks and how the very beginning ones were terrible. He goes, yeah, I actually found you on TikTok. And then I started watching a bunch of your videos. And that was two years ago. I got off to him. I said, dude, you waited two years to get coaching? Come on now. Which, by the way, is typical. You guys, trying to be perfect instead of taking action. Right? Trying to be perfect. You waste a year, two years. A lot of my, you know, my average sales cycle for people that end up joining and getting coaching is six months. Takes them six months. I have some that are a year, obviously some that are more. If you would have just taken action when you first learned about it, you would have been, you know, leap years ahead of where you're currently at. So taking action even matters there. But all my content, like they see one piece of content, they relate to it, they go, oh, that's interesting. He's saying something that makes sense. Then they go watch other videos. And other videos and other videos and all the pieces start to make sense. Wow. He's, he makes sense about this and he's telling me this and that makes sense. And they even told me on the call, they go, yeah, we, we saw your one video about stop doing free estimates. And we thought to ourselves, yeah, because they're the business partners that why are we doing free estimates? That's stupid. Right? So they stopped doing it. Like that's educational content. Obviously mine's different than yours in terms of the audience, but it's the same thing. If you go to my TikTok and you see there's like 800 and something videos, you're like, holy crap, this person puts a lot of effort and makes a lot of content. Same with the podcast. You know, we're on 270 something episodes now. I've been doing it for almost five years consistently. I've only missed two weeks and five years of releasing a video or an episode because that's showing up, constantly building it. Sometimes I talk about the same thing. I've talked about, I try not to. It's hard after 270 episodes and not talk about the same thing, but I try not to. So this is all stuff that you should be doing in your business. I'm not saying you got to have a podcast. I'm just saying you got to be putting out content. So additional cost blogs, I'm sorry, addition cost blogs. Like if you do room additions, what does that cost? Pricing guides, how much does this cost? You know, veteran grants. If someone needs a grant through, you know, if they're a veteran and they need a grant and you're an expert at that, or they need some type of. you know, SBA loan or whatever. Like if you're experts, you can answer those questions and be an expert, you know, online educational videos. Like I was saying, the FAQ content, those are the ones that the contractors that are doing that are the ones winning, right? So that content, when you do those builds SEO, pre-qualifies buyers, creates trust and increases close rates before the call, before the actual sales appointment. When your marketing is on point, and you're doing all these things, the sales portion of it is really just you taking their order. Like they're already going to hire you. They already know that. They're just like, you just got to get their estimate and get their information so you can put the estimate together. It's just like a technicality at that point. If you have no marketing authority, All of your effort is in sales. You have to be really, really good at sales because you have to overcome, you have to build the authority during the sales process. If you build it online prior to, they're just calling you and saying, hey, you're the guy, we want you. When can we start? Which is what everyone wants. Everyone wants those leads, but you don't want to put any effort into actually doing what it takes to get to that point. So I had clients that would call me and say, hey, Brad, I've been watching your content for... over a year now. And we already knew that you were going to be the one whenever we decided to do our bathroom. So they call me up. You know, they want two bathrooms remodeled at the same time. Boom, two jobs. All I did was make videos. They could see my personality. They can see who I am. I mean, you know, make whatever excuses you want. This is what it takes, period. If you want to have good leads and be seen, you have to make the content. Consistency is a real problem. Like I was telling you, I have over 800 videos. I've been doing podcasts for almost five years. I only missed two. That's pretty good consistency, right? 270 something episodes, one a week for five years, and I only missed two episodes. That's it. That's showing up, guys. That's not doing one here, one two weeks later, one I feel like it. No, that's consistency. Making videos and posting them online, that's consistency. I did the math, and I don't know the exact number, but I have over, I think it's, I forget now the exact number, but it's like for sure over 150 hours within just the length of the podcast, because my average podcast is about 40 minutes. I have over 150 hours of podcast episodes. I mean, it's over that, but I'm just saying like I've spent 150 hours recording podcasts and that's just the recording portion, not the before and after. So it's, it's well over 200 hours. I've invested over 200 hours in making podcasts. Like that's what it takes. You have to do that. So, um, the consistency, you know, again, action beats perfectionism. Just start posting. I don't care if it sucks. I don't care if it's the worst video on the internet, post it. Don't do 47 takes. Do three takes most maximum and then post the best of the three. Just create content, respond to content of comments and follow. Every one of you, every post on social media, every single post, every comment, everything on postal media, I respond to. Every single one. TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, direct emails, text messages, whatever. I respond to every single one of them. Some videos I do have 500 comments on there. I respond to every one of them, or at least like the post, you know, like the comment I'm interacting with every single comment. And if you follow me on Tik TOK, you know, this is true. Very rarely do I miss, you know, a comment, but I interact with every single one of them. Why? Because I know it's important. So, you know, most of these guys are not, most of the guys are not doing this or not. You got to post more, you got to create more content. You got to respond faster. You got to improve your SBO SEO. Um, but the, the, the operational chaos in your business kills that consistency because you don't make it a priority. It's a, when I have time kind of thing. And then what happens is, you know, that you drop the ball, your marketing falls behind, uh, you know, you're wearing too many hats, right? So the contractor who consistently builds trust online beats the contractor who only shows up when the work gets slow. Hmm. You ever have the flyers in your mailbox? You know, Hey, we're a contractor. I've been in business for 20 years and we'll help you. You know, when you have a flyer in your mailbox, they're slow. They're out of work. And you know, I would never, ever, ever hire someone who puts a flyer in my mailbox. Just, I mean, maybe other people are different, but I'm just telling you across the board, I would never, ever hire someone who puts a flyer. And I'm talking about like a printed flyer, not a direct mail. You drove by and stuck it in my mailbox. Never would I hire you ever. And usually I make fun of you when you do. So that's the end of this episode, guys. Again, another one I thought would take 20,30 minutes and here we're at almost an hour. Next week is going to be the sales, the top three things of sales and the following will be general business. So just to close out here, the contractors who win over the next five years will not just be the best builders and the best at what they do. They'll be the contractors who communicate trust the clearest. They educate the best and they consistently build authority online. That's, that's the ones that are going to win. So I, uh, I appreciate you guys hanging out with me and all the, you know, like I said,270 something episodes has been a long run. Uh, not planning on quitting anytime soon. I do change up the, you know, the format a little bit. I'm still looking for more contractors to interview because I do want to bring in contractors and talk more about their experience. What's worked well for them. you know, how they got to where they were. So if you do know anybody, some of you have reached out and recommended a few. I really appreciate that. If you do know anybody that you would recommend or yourself, just, you know, shoot me a message, shoot me an email, whatever, however you want to smoke. So, you know, I don't care. Just get in touch with me and let me know more than happy to have a conversation with you and talk about that. But guys, I appreciate you hanging out over all these years. I can't believe, I can't believe it's been 200 something episodes,70 something episodes. It's crazy. Had no plans when we started our first episode that we would be here today, but we are. So I owe all that to you. I thank you for watching, listening, sharing, and I really appreciate you guys. You can always find me on the socials, just search for the Hammer and Grind podcast. And remember until next time, profit is not a dirty word.

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